Daniel & Bridget Lister’s Ownership c.1769-1799
We pick up the story of the owners and occupiers of the fine thatched building in Church Street (and an adjacent House), following the death of widow Bridget Lister in 1802. You can read Part I of the story here.
Although captured over 100 years later, the postcard shows ‘the fine thatched building’ to the left which was onced owned and occupied by Daniel & Mary Lister in the late eighteenth century
The property, which is thought to have once been a medieval Manor Hall House, and much later known as ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘, was owned and occupied by Daniel and Bridget Lister from around 1769 until Daniel’s death in 1799. It was then occupied by his widow Bridget Lister until her death in 1802.
Daniel Lister also owned an adjacent house (with outbuildings and a garden), which abutted the churchyard of St James.
Extract from 1802 Map of Great Ellingham. Original held at Norfolk Record Office. Russell James Colman Plans. Cat. Ref. C/Ca 1/84. With kind permission of NRO
The above extract from an 1802 Map of Great Ellingham shows the properties owned by Daniel Lister. The house (later known as ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘) lies within the parcel of land numbered 289. This property still exists today. For ease of reference, I refer to the property in this blog as ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe’.
The adjacent house (with buildings and garden) also owned by Daniel Lister, is within the inclosure numbered 288. This house has long since disappeared.
Daniel William Cocking
Copyhold Tenant & Freehold Owner
Following the death of Daniel Lister in 1799, Henry Norton, a gentleman and an owner of land in Great Ellingham, presented himself at a Manor Court for Buckenham Close Outsoken. Norton came to the Court as the Attorney for Daniel William Cocking, a grandson of the late Daniel Lister. Norton was also named as an executor in Daniel Lister’s will.
The Manor Court Books referring to the Court held on the 2nd December, 1799, mentions that a copy of Daniel Lister’s will was produced at the Court. Unfortunately, no extract from the will was recorded in the books.
However, given that Henry Norton had come before the Court as the attorney for Daniel William Cocking, and it followed that Daniel Cocking was admitted as a copyhold tenant of the Manor as heir to his grandfather Daniel Lister, Daniel William Cocking must have been a beneficiary (or perhaps the main beneficiary) of his grandfather’s will.
Further, a later Survey (1817-1819) which lists the owners and occupiers of property and land in Great Ellingham, reveal Daniel William Cocking as the owner of the properties which were previously owned by his grandfather, Daniel Lister.
Occupiers following the death of widow Mary Lister
Widow Mary Lister lived in either ‘The Olde Thatche Shoppe‘ or the adjacent property. Both properties were then owned by her grandson, Daniel William Cocking who, at the time of his inheritance, was a minor.
It is probable that Daniel Lister made provision in his will for Mary to have full use of the properties during her widowhood, or until her death. Mary may well have sub-let one (or parts) of the properties. Mary died in 1802.
Occupiers of ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe’
A Survey of Great Ellingham from 1817-1819, shows that the property comprising a House, Yard, Baking Office and Garden (‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘), had three occupiers: John Rose, Rebecca Rose and William Barnard. Accordingly, it is likely that the property was divided into three tenements.
John Rose also occupied the piece of land behind the Baking House (numbered 290 on the above extract from the 1802 Map). He also occupied the piece behind the adjacent house (the piece numbered 287 on the 1802 Map), together with other land owned by Daniel Cocking (again previously owned by Daniel Lister).
Occupiers of the Adjacent House
The adjacent House (with Outbuildings and Garden) also owned by Daniel Cocking, also appears to have been divided in three tenements. These were occupied by John Steel, Mary Alderton and Robert Houchen.
A comment on a later ‘Estates and Occupations’ of Great Ellingham which pre-dates 1840 (although I believe it was likely much earlier), indicates that Richard Wilemer may have later occupied one of the Houses and some of the land owned by Daniel Cocking.
The 1841 census captures grocer Richard Wilemer with his wife Anne and children Sarah Anne, Elizabeth and Mary Anne in Great Ellingham. The family have a servant, 20 year old John Plumton.
Although the census does not specifically say exactly where they were living, Richard Wilemer and his family were certainly living in the area which included Church Street.
1845 Death of Owner Daniel William Cocking
Although living in Little Ellingham, Daniel Cocking appears to have retained ownership of the property and land in Great Ellingham which was bequeathed to him by his grandfather, Daniel Lister, until his death in 1845.
The 1841 census captures 55 year old farmer Daniel Cocking living in Church Street, Little Ellingham. Daniel has four servants – 45 year old Maria Leben, 20 year old Elizabeth Chaplin, Isaac Skitmore aged 20 and 13 year old Robert Spurgeon.
The Register of Electors for 1842-1843 lists Daniel William Cocking of Little Ellingham as the owner of a freehold house and land at the Street, Great Ellingham.
However, I do not know whether Daniel Cocking sold any of the properties or land which he inherited from his grandfather (Daniel Lister). However, I feel sure that he still owned ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘ when he died.
60 year old Daniel William Cocking of Little Ellingham was buried in the churchyard at St James’s Church, Great Ellingham on the 26th July, 1845.
I have not found any evidence that Daniel married and/or had any children.
New Owner of ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘ Daniel William Cocking Warren
I have found both the ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘ and the adjacent house on the Great Ellingham Tithe Map c.1840. At some point after c.1840, but before c.1888, the adjacent house disappeared.
Who was Daniel Warren?
In his will dated 16th July, 1845, Daniel William Cocking (the grandson of Daniel Lister), left all his ‘real estate’ to his great nephew, Daniel William Cocking Warren. Daniel, then aged around 2-3 years, would take his inheritance on reaching the age of 21.
Daniel Warren was the son of John Warren and his wife Elizabeth neé Chaplin. He was baptised in the parish church at Little Ellingham on 21st May, 1843.
His mother, Elizabeth neé Chaplin, was the daughter of Daniel Cocking’s eldest sister Mary Cocking and her husband, Charles Chaplin.
The death of Daniel William Cocking was presented at a General Court of the Manor of Buckenham Close Outsoken held on 20th November, 1845.
Just over six months later on the 26th June, 1846, John Warren the Younger came before the same Court as the attorney for his young son, Daniel William Cocking Warren. John Warren produced an extract from the last will and testament of Daniel William Cocking in order to prove that his son, Daniel William Cocking Warren, was entitled be admitted as a copyhold tenant of the Manor in respect of the copyhold land of the Manor which had previously been held by his son’s great uncle, Daniel Cocking.
The copyhold land in question comprised one acre and 22 perches in Great Ellingham which Daniel William Cocking had ‘taken up to him‘ on the 25th April, 1803, under the Great Ellingham Award (Inclosures). This was not the copyhold land in Church Street which was previously owned by Daniel Warren’s great great grandfather, Daniel Lister.
However, the information from the Court Books together with the will of Daniel William Cocking, confirms that Daniel Warren (in the Court Books said to be ‘only of the age of 3 years of thereabouts‘) was the sole benefiary of Daniel Cocking’s real estate.
Daniel’s Early Life in Little Ellingham
The 1851 census captures 7 year old Daniel Warren with his parents and siblings living in Church Street, Little Ellingham. Daniel is still with his parents and siblings in Little Ellingham in 1861.
Daniel Inherits his Great Uncle’s Properties in his Own Right
By 1864, Daniel Warren had reached the age of 21 and had taken his great uncle’s inheritance in his own right. The Register of Electors for Norfolk of 1864 lists Daniel William Cocking Warren of Little Ellingham as owning freehold houses and land near the Church and by Long Street Lane.
By 1869, Daniel had moved to Hainford. On August 3rd, 1869, 26 year old Daniel Warren of Hainford married 28 year old Hannah Maria Matthews in Morley St Peter.
The 1871 census captures 28 year old Daniel Warren with his 30 year old wife Hannah in Norwich Road, Hainford. Daniel is described as a farmer of some 300 acres and an employer of 8 men, 4 boys and 4 women. The couple have a 17 year old general servant, Eliza Rider (born Little Ellingham).
Ten years later, the couple had moved to Lime Kiln Farm in Heydon. By then, Daniel and Hannah had two children – Annie 9 and William 4, although only William is captured with his parents on the 1881 census at Lime Kiln Farm.
By 1891, the Warren family had moved again. The census finds Daniel and Hannah Warren at Hall Farm, Little Ellingham with Annie (now 19) and William (14). 14 year old Sarah E Skitmore is the family’s general servant.
The family remained living in Little Ellingham until at least 1901 when the census of that year was undertaken. Both Annie (aged 29) and William (25) were single and still living with their parents.
1908 Death of Daniel William Cocking Warren
By the time of the next census, Daniel and his wife Hannah had moved to Thurton. Daniel died on the 17th July, 1908. It is possible that Daniel and Hannah were living with their daughter Annie and her husband, George Arthur Gladden. The 1911 census captures 71 year old widow Hannah Maria Warren with George and Annie Gladden and their children in Thurton.
Occupiers of ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘ during Daniel Warren’s Ownership
Throughout the time of Daniel William Cocking Warren’s ownership, ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘ would undoubtedly have been let to tenants. Unfortunately, the census returns and trade directories do not specifically say who occupied which shops and where in the village.
I do not know what became of the adjacent house or building which Daniel Warren may also have inherited. Certainly by 1888 it had disappeared.
What became of ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘ following Daniel Warren’s Death?
Around two years after the death of Daniel Warren, a notice of a forthcoming auction of property in Great Ellingham appeared in the Eastern Daily Press on June 11th, 1910.
Auctioneers, Salter & Simpson, had been instructed by the executors of the Late Mr D W C Warren to sell certain property in Great Ellingham at the Royal Hotel, Attleborough on the 23rd June, 1910.
The property being sold comprised:
- A Dwelling House, a Shop with Cottage adjoining together with a piece of pasture land containing 1a 2r 27p, as occupied by Mrs Mallows, Lister & Warren and
- An enclosure of arable land 4a 0r 34p as occupied by Mr William Buckle
- Two enclosures of arable and pasture land containing 7a 1r 5p as occupied by Mr James Sadd and
- Two cottages occupied by Rosher and Lister
Although the notice does not give any indication as to where the Dwelling House and Shop with Cottage was in the village, I feel sure that the Dwelling House, Shop and Cottage is ‘”Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘ in Church Street.
The 1911 census finds 53 year old widow Mary Jane Mallows living in a seven-roomed property (two sitting rooms and five bedrooms) in Church Street. Mary Mallows is described as a shopkeeper, grocer & draper. Also with Mary Mallows are her two sons, Victor 16 (who is assisting his mother in the shop) and 11 year old Kitchener who is attending school. Mary’s mother, 81 year old widow Mary Keeble, is also with the family.
F W Neave
I believe that ‘Ye Olde Thatche Shoppe‘ was in the ownership of the same family from at least 1769 to the sale of the property in 1910.
Further research is needed here, but I believe the property was in 1910 purchased by F W Neeve.
F W Neeve’s shop in Church Street. Postcard courtesy of Carol Ewin
1802 Russell James Colman Plans. Great Ellingham. Catalogue Ref. C/Ca 1/84.
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1881 census RG11/1928/24
1891 census RG12/1549/87
1901 census RG13/1867/88
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Eastern Daily Press June 11th, 1910. Viewed via British Newspaper Archive. https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ 02.02.2021